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This is my X- Wingman Kenny and He used to live with me a few years a go for about 2 years and was there when I created The Domino Effect where I got a lot more consistent results with women. I think this is a good post about how to deal with other people when “training” or learning pick up.
Here he is…
I recently had a revelation that I fucking hate sarging with PUAs. Even if I enjoy the people as their normal selves outside of their PUA life, there is not a single worse night out than rolling deep with a group of PUAs with the intent of gaming women. And this is coming from a guy who loves going to bars + clubs with my friends and hitting on girls once there. PUAs basically take a super fun + social activity and make it as miserable and excruciating as possible by polluting it with their PUAdom.
1. Normal conversations do not happen in a group of PUAs.
When I’m hanging out with my normal friends, going out is an alternation of chilling with the bros and then talking to girls when I feel like it. This is fun, balanced, and pleasant- we have normal conversations about normal things, and then it’s natural and easy to talk to girls when we feel like it and the night isn’t a waste if we don’t because we had a good time bro’ing it up.
This is not the case with PUAs. I don’t fucking know why, but for some reason there’s an unwritten rule that when you are sarging with PUAs you’re either opening sets or more likely just hanging off to the side and discussing gaming theory. For some reason you have to share your ideas about what you think is effective gaming, past instances of opening sets, who your favorite dating instructors are, and on and on and on and on. This is dreadfully boring because if you’re a PUA you probably have no clue how to game effectively, your gaming stories are probably fucking stupid, and your favorite instructors are probably full of shit and never got laid, ergo I’d rather not engage in this conversation with you. Seriously, I’d prefer to exchange stories about what your favorite Ke$ha song is instead, because that is a far more scintillating conversation
2. “How did it go???”
My new rule is that I am going to fucking balltap anybody who ever asks me how a set went. Why don’t you take a fucking guess, I approached a girl, engaged her in a conversation, used the same fucking lines and routines that I always used, got her phone number, and fully anticipate a flake in the future. Fucking awesome, am I right??? If anything unique or special ever happens in a set, you will surely be the first to know as I will share the details with you excitedly. In the meantime, feel free to assume that whatever happened in my set is neither horribly interesting nor important, and that we can skip the whole “How did it go???” conversation and resume our discussion about which work of Ke$ha is most elite.
3. “Yo man, you should have…”
Here’s a very important nugget of wisdom: if you are a PUA, I almost assuredly don’t fucking want your advice or insight. If you had something useful or helpful to say, you would probably be charging an assload of money for people to hear it; after all 90%+ of PUA instructors are getting paid for advice that isn’t useful. In the rare case that you have figured out something awesome, it should be readily apparent in your work and all of the bottom feeder PUAs that you encounter will be thirsting for your wisdom. Until then, the percentages suggest that you’re just another nerd that knows fuckall about women, dating, and social dynamics and you are not getting laid from game. I quite honestly could give a motherfuck about what you think I should have done and kindly request that you shut the fuck up and keep your erroneous ideas to your damn self.
4. Overemphasizing the Trivial
It’s as if most PUAs want to micro-analyze every step you take and breath you breathe in field. Example: I holler at a girl across the street, set doesn’t hook, PUA says “she was probably too far away.” Well jeez, I hadn’t fucking considered that, thanks for the cutting edge insight. Maybe I didn’t give a fuck that she was too far away and felt like hollering regardless of how poor the odds were of the set hooking. I am not always going to try to optimize every fucking aspect of my game, it’s not like this is the SAT where I lose points every time I get a question wrong. Sometimes I’m just going to do whatever the fuck I feel like doing regardless of whether it’s solid game or not; nobody is keeping stats of my performance and even if they were I surely wouldn’t give a fuck about having good ones. Just fucking relax and don’t sweat it if I don’t hang on every single word of every single set like you do.
5. Lying about success
If you consistently get laid by attractive women via cold approach, you likely have insane attraction vibes from most of the sets that you hook that are immediately apparent to a neutral observer. Don’t fucking make shit up to me, it will be obvious that you were lying when you can’t get more than a polite phone number or even hook a set.
6. Living in a game warped reality
I can’t stand it when PUAs always try to over glorify their non accomplishments. I sincerely don’t care if you had attraction in your last set or not; if you did that’s great and I hope you converted to some sort of close. If you walked away empty handed or only with a flaky number, it shouldn’t even matter to you whether you had attraction or not, because that girl is gone forever. So you can only imagine how little it matters to me.
Another thing is that PUAs seem to love gloating over making out with completely shitfaced girls. Yes, I know it’s exciting to kiss girls and that kissing sober girls is difficult, so when you actually do make out with a girl it’s hard to nitpick over her drunkenness because your lips just got fucking wet, yo! But the important thing to realize is that when a girl hits a certain level of inebriation where she is only partially wary of reality, that kissing her becomes a very simple task. The instruction manual for this goes something like 1) Have a pulse 2) Place your lips in the vicinity of hers 3) Profit. So hooray for small victories, but if you’re running mediocre or better game, you should be getting the full monty with any woefully drunk girl; that is once you get past the moral questionability and the fact that you may be open to rape charges at more extreme levels of intoxication. I know that the PUA community opens your eyes to a whole new world, but I suggest that you take a cursory glance back at reality every now and again to assure that you’re not being a complete fucking creep.
This is Kenny talking about our journey . This video was taken in 2009, when I was abusing The Domino Effect.
So yeah, with all of this shit having a fun night of bro’ing and hoe’ing becomes a tantalizingly shitty night of belaboring the bottom feeder status of the community to which you belong. Approaching strangers is inherently low value, and to derive any form of value from cold approach you very badly need to be balanced and successful in other aspects of life. Yet PUAs insist on accentuating the fact that they belong to one of the most loser driven social communities on the face of the planet, which turns up the pressure to get results and sucks any fun and positive energy out of the experience. You don’t need to adapt your game and create new routines every moment out in the field, in fact I’d advise against being introspective in field altogether. Just as you need to balance PUA life with normal activities, it is also recommended to balance your sarging with normal social behavior. If you have been gaming for years, pretend that you have opened multiple sets in your past and that this shit is not fucking new to you. There is value to understanding game and being adept at approaching women who are complete strangers, but for fuck’s sake once you get the hang of it it’s OK to do it as you’re a socially normal person one fucking time.
22 responses to “6 Things That PUAs Do To Make Sarging Lame!!!”
Best. Post. Everrrrrrr. Next time you see this guy, tell him I love him. haha I seriously either just go alone or don’t like talking about any pua-related concept while I’m out trying to get drunk and have some fun on my Friday/Saturday nights. I end up wanting to punch anyone in the face who mentions “state”, drinking water while we’re out at a fucking bar, and all the other weird shit attributed to the pickup community.
lol, sure will bro. I’m trying to blog more consistently now
Great post, Justin!
Glad to see you posting more often bro.
yea, ill try my best now.
hey justin really random question, what do you think of creating an alias and giving girls that name rather than your actually name. These girls are strangers remember.. is it a dumb thing for me to do
Let me ask you this, what’s the worst that can happen if she knows your real name?
nothing i suppose but i dunno
so use your real name. Its easier to remember and you will feel more genuine
one more thing justin this video here would you say this guy reached a romantic connection http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVNqnAUN5mA it kinda reminded me of your game with the handholding/k-closes and everything it looks like what could be called a romantic connection
Justin, will you be talking about the socioeconomic/race differential when gaming women in your book? thx.
yes, it sure will.
Have you ever heard of Real Social Dynamics? I am cringing at their game…but a lot of your post is emanating not getting in your head. But sometimes based on your videos, seems like you’re in your head a lot and trying to seek rapport quite quickly “oh you look sexy but u had this artistic vibe. are u an artistic girl?”
etc etc….what do you think? RSD core principles are basically freedom from outcome (dont care about getting laid) and just say whatever you are feeling in the moment. I tried this and ended up calling a girl at night time a whore…..like an idiot.
i have said nothing about RSD.
it does not matter if someone “seems” in their head if their getting the girl…
i do not get your post
Please hurry and release the book. I can’t be this raving lunatic doing stupid stuff like saying everything i want to a girl unfiltered….it’s insane!!
Is the domino effect (open, hand hold, kiss, confirmation) and flirtation model (wxyz; i don’t know this one) go hand in hand, to cover a Romantic Connection? Or does the flirtation model continue until sex?
you will have to get wait for the book to be released.
Touche Hombre, I know the domino effect and will fill in the rest until I say fuck it and pay for coaching on some free time. Keep fighting the good fight to many bitch ass phonies out there that can’t put a decent in-field.
justin how many approaches do you think it took you took get to your skill level? around 2000? when you were just starting out around how many approaches would you do
im sorry,, i can not remember… Podcast six I will talk about my journey
Hey Justin, would you recommend products of any other daygamers out there while we wait for your book? I am look for a good model or blueprint for the summer, and I thought it would be wise to ask for your suggestions.
Also Have you heard of Yad?
hmmm, i do not know about yad’s methods…