The Justin Wayne Podcast: Episode 4 – “Game Tactics vs Perceived Value”


Welcome to our new podcast. I personally enjoyed this episode because me and the guest speaker, John Atlas, think alike. Here’s his background for those who don’t know. John Atlas is the “methodical scientist” – a Harvard and MIT grad, leader at the top management consultant firm in the world. He has had an extensive background in hypnotherapy field and has dealt with medical patients.

We stumbled upon each other a few years back while I was coaching day game. I saw him randomly approached a 9/10 and saw how he hooked her in. Just so you guys know, John Atlas is not considered good-looking at all. Yet, I could tell he had an uncanny social ability that enabled him to generate attraction despite him being a 4-5 at most. He was fascinated with my abilities at that time as well. I showed him what I do my Domino Effect. He opened up my eyes to other aspects of social dynamics that has helped me to get girls out of my league from the hardest form of approach.

Examples of VALUE to women:

Height, Looks, Money, Stereotype, Archetype, Relative Social Value, Fame, and more…

Examples of TACTICS used on women:

Good energy, social competence, entertainment, flirting, playfulness, charming abilities, timing and more…


–  Who does “pick-up” work for?

– How to do you determine your attractive rating from 1 – 10?

– if you are borderline average (5/10) can game help you get hot women CONSISTENTLY?

– how the old dating community created this this belief of getting 9’s and 10’s into everyone’s mind. This messed up men’s reality where even if he was a ‘4’ he would still criticize a ‘7’ for not being a ’10’.

– The “no defect” guy.. by the 25 minute mark

– The three categories of value. 1) Universal Value 2) Context-Dependent Value 3) Specific Value

Fuck Valentine’s Day

Valentines Day is a time in the year for business to make money and all men must put their women on pedestals. This supports the whole feminist movement to spoil our modern day brainwashed women. I can’t really blame them. Truth is, men do not care about Valentines day, we only do it to make our lovers happy. 

I try to find some middle ground in my relationships, however, i never liked valentines day. Valentine’s Day, like any other holiday, expects you to act different on that one time per year. WOmen expect you to act like you are some romantic sap with flowers and a fiddle while crying out your unconditional love for them while they sit down and just watch.

Anyways, enough with my ranting for now. Here is a conversation with one woman I was dating on and off. Notice how I put her in her place and then she thanks me for it.SHe realized that Valentines Day was actually driving us further apart due to its “expectations” for men to be super romantic that day. SHe is Light Blue and I am  the purple bubble.

Lost in The Valentine’s Day Syndrome….


These guys are so true about Valentines Day

Familiarity Breeds Attraction

I will attempt to explain why familiarity breeds attraction and how we can utilize this knowledge to the fullest.


This is a scientific concept that suggests that we are attracted to what we see around us the most. It is true that EVERYTHING we see and hear affects us either consciously or subconsciously at some level.

When we look at how our parents dressed in the past, it looks very weird and ‘not cool’ because we are not familiar with that style in our day to day modern lives.  For example, in the early nineties, people use to wear extremely baggy clothes. That time it was normal for the ‘cool’ people to dress this way. Same applies for slangs, games, way of socializing etc.

Same applies to humans of different races. This is the reason for natural prejudices between all races. Let’s take an American white girl who grew up with mostly white friends and dated mostly white men. She will be more easily attracted to what she already knows. Same, applies to other races.

Another example is how the media dictates what is “beautiful” or “handsome”.  During the renaissance period, a few centuries ago, people such as Leonardo da Vinci aided in setting the standard of beauty for that generation which were more “chubby” or “plump” women.

She is what was considered perfection

The same concept applies to modern day beauty. In the media, most of the celebrities are caucasian. Most of the models are very thin. Nothing is wrong with this, this is just the way it is. So what happens to everyone in the world? They see this in movies and music ALL the time and become FAMILIAR with a certain image/stereotype of them. Same applies with blacks in media. They show them mostly as street thugs hence a black guy just ‘looks’ more alpha than a white guy from the depiction of music and movies. I do not think there is any conspiracy behind this or anything. The fact is that the white population is far bigger than other minorities, it is only natural to have a higher percentage of white celebrities.

This concepts goes much deeper. Familiarity can also be related to other things like cars, websites, food, music etc.


Firstly, I would like to make a further distinction to perfect this phrased ideology.

I do not think that ‘familiarity’ directly ‘breeds’ attraction.

Instead, Familiarity breeds COMFORT! And comfort allows ATTRACTION to enter. If a girl is not socially comfortable with you, she will not be receptive to your game.

Think about it. I am a black man of caribbean descent. Assuming that I grew up around black-caribbean women, it would be easier for me to feel more comfortable around a NEW black girl as opposed to if ( everything else equal ) I met a NEW white girl who I have less in common with. I will feel more comfortable with what I am familiar with. This will make the process easier for me to deal with.

Now, this is NOT ONLY racial. This is within subcultures and stereotypes.

Let’s say there is a white college jock and he approaches a white Goth girl. He would have a harder time getting her as a jock than if he was a goth kid himself ( ceteris paribus/ everything else equal.) Why? She is not familiar with hanging around and connecting with the jock type. Hense, if he was a goth white kid, her familiarity with his stereotype will help to breed FAMILIARITY which will ultimately make her feel more COMFORTABLE and OPEN to him. After this is established, it will make it much easier for him to generate ATTRACTION because she is more open to his kind/stereotype. It’s very difficult to attract a girl without comfort, especially when a woman is sober.

This is also the reason why minorities will experience difficulties trying to pick up girls outside of their race. I can lie to the world and say it does not matter what race you are… but that would be bullshit. Now, once the girl is very into the minority, then he can use that romantic connection to get her and keep her. However, interms of the “pick-up” aspect, they will have a harder time establishing BASIC SOCIAL COMFORT. Without it, there is no attraction.

This is the reason why I never really liked online game as a means to pick up hotter women of other races. I can verify that all the girls in my ‘LAY REPORTs SECTION’ would not even respond to me if I messaged them online as a stranger. They would instantly ignore me and in rare cases message me back just because they were bored. However, I would not be able to get a date from them because they would have stereotyped me and there would be NO familiarity.

Here is a GREAT post this matter that even OKCUPID spoke about interms of the response rates that different races of men were receiving. Here is a post that talks about this issue HERE.


We've all been there

That’s what I like about gaming face-to-face, I can use language and conversational topics to relate to them more and make them feel COMFORTABLE with me so they can see past the stereotype they may have of me. This will allow me to create attraction and progressively escalate to the bedroom and beyond.

 My first goal, regardless of opening direct or indirect, is to establish some Basic Social Comfort with the girl to make her more familiar with me. This is easier said than done. After coaching for three years, most guys have no idea of whether they have enough comfort or not. It’s not their fault. Women will talk to you and be polite and not necessarily feel connected to you. It’s not easy to tell.

If you notice some of my ‘infield videos’. I usually have a social vibe in the beginning. Some guys who are really insecure with their manhood would say “he seems like he is being too friendly, or he is not being agressive enough, or he seems to shakey”. Here is the truth. The way I engage some of the girls outside my race are in a certain way to what they are familiar with. If I actually spoke to them like my GANGSTER cousins in Brooklyn New York. They will NOT look at me as alpha, they will simply be creeped out. THEY are NOT FAMILIAR with that kind of behavior. I know this because I used to be very agressive and loved to fight in my younger days. I used to be in the wrong company when I was in my teens and I temporarily dropped out of school due to gang wars. It was serious.  I hung out with real guys in the streets and they get women from their reputation, not because they are agressive in general.


Many guys asked me “How do you do so well with other races so seamlessly?”

Simple. I spent my teens in the Caribbean. My vibe was very RAW and I had a thick Caribbean accent that sounded too rough. When I came back to America, I noticed that I just couldn’t connect with most people on a deeper level easily. Not even with African-American girls. The only girls I connected with were Caribbean. This was because that was all I was familiar with. One thing I did to help me understand different races/subcultures was to listen to their music, television shows etc. I even watched shows like Gossip Girl, 90210, etc to slowly understand the mind of the modern spoiled and overly feminized American women. This was all done as an experiment just to see if it would help. I also followed celebrity news just to learn about it. I noticed when I re-applied this in pick up, it changed the dynamics. I even changed the way I spoke to them;using a funny and quirky vibe since thats what they are more familiar with in general. It made a difference interms of getting them connected. I did other thing also.

You would probably notice that sometimes I would have this young kid vibe while engaging younger girls… I do it because that is what they are familiar with. That familiarity breeds comfort, which later breeds attraction.

Even in mini subcultures, there is a totally different set of languages used with an 18 year old  vs a 28 year old. There are new things that are cool. There are newer definitions of what  ‘cool’ is. This is where the pick up is an ART. I have successfully developed a UNIVERSAL style that helps me to lay a higher variation of girls. (Keep in mind, I do have to adjust minor things)

That’s why OLDER MEN must be in with the times of fashion, news, trends etc. The social subtleties keep evolving slowly and it’s good to keep up-to-date. I even listen to new hippie music now just to get a feel for whats out there. In short, stay relevant.


I am very well aware that the argument of  “why should one change himself while engaging the woman”…

ALL OF THESE POINTS ARE WHAT OCCURS MOST FREQUENTLY. We do not care about the 1% chance. That is not what efficiency is all about. 

I am coming from an extremely scientific aka trial-and-error aka statistical approach to solving and refining pick up. I am not saying that you SHOULD change yourself. I am saying this is what can be done to INCREASE your ODDS. If you want to just do what you want, fine.

Also, I am NOT saying that every man should act quirky. People will have to find their own balance. I had to use quirky due to my stereotype and original vibe that I conveyed. Some guys need to be more calm, while other guys look too playerish, while other guys… you get the point. That’s why I am a dating coach, I assist men with developing their style.


The idea of CHANGING YOURSELF is rather complex. Do you act the exact same way to your mother as you would to your girlfriend? DO you act the same way to your boss as you would to your child?

NO. If you do, you probably have aspergers.

However, I do agree that you do not want to go against your core. But that’s a different topic for a different night 🙂